38 thoughts on “So where are we now?”
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Split. Divided we will actually reach more people for Christ. Its biblical to split. God will sort it out.
It’s truly sad if polity is what unites us. I had hope it would be Jesus Christ.
Kathy, I would hope the same thing. But can we realistically say that Jesus Christ unites us? Do all of us confess the same Christ, or different figures by the same name?
David, with all due respect, it should be Christ what (who) unite us, and not an act of polity. Unification will be impossible, because a seed (the acceptance of a sin, in the body of Christ) has already been allowed. The church in general (in this aspect, and in many others) will not come together again. It is the Lord who with his verdict, will separate the goats from the sheep when his day comes.
I agree that the split is already taking place, and that the church of today is not the same UMC I joined. Thank you for your belief in hope in spite of the demoralizing situation that now exists. God will make a home for all of us, even though it isn’t clear today what that will look like. I remember a story told about a visit made to Bishop Ken Goodson who was at the time upon his death bed. They asked him if he wanted them to carry a message to anyone on his behalf. His response: “yes, tell everyone you see, everything you know about Jesus.” Perhaps that’s the guidance we need to shine light into this present darkness.
Amen, Brad.
Amen brother. We all need to be more concerned with being discples of Jesus Christ and less concerned with being socially engaging. I have been a United Methodist all my life, but the UMC leadership has lost its way.
I agree Evan.
I am sad to say that I now believe that it is now time for The United Methodist Church to die so that Wesleyan Christianity might live. The first step is to devote ourselves to prayer and Wesleyan spiritual disciplines; and THEN to follow where Jesus leads.
For me this has meant retiring early from active ministry. I could no longer be a PR agent for the church I was appointed to serve. When a person was converted by God through my ministry, I had difficulty encouraging them to join the church that I was serving—it was too sick to nurture a new Christian. As a pastor, I watched more and more healthy Christians walk away (to my dismay, but with my understanding). They were the prophets in the bunch–walking in God’s light.
Finally it came time for me to trust that God would provide for my needs as I followed Jesus OUT of paid, professional ministry. It has not been an easy journey. I changed careers in my 50’s; and was not terribly successful. I earned enough to get by until I could apply for my pension at age 62.
I am still “in good standing” with my conference; and I have TRIED to be faithful to my ordination vows, my baptismal vows, and my church membership vows. I attended a “vital” United Methodist Church for 10 years as a retired pastor. But then I saw that congregation becoming a cult group. I no longer heard the justifying and sanctifying grace of God preached from that United Methodist pulpit. There was PLENTY of prevenient grace, and God’s “love” preached. But very little of Christ’s blood, atonement, regeneration, or sanctification. Wesleyanism was redefined (or perverted).
I have now stopped attending church. I long to be part of a Christian community where my ordination is accepted, my gifts for preaching and teaching are encouraged, and where I see miracles of healing and conversion happening. For the moment, however, I am focusing on caring for my elderly mother. She gives my life purpose.
David, I hope you and OTHERS will join me in a new Wesleyan movement–rooted in prayer, and let loose from United Methodist polity Perhaps if we bury the United Methodist Church, a new, Wesleyan movement may emerge–cleansed of racism, heresy, greed, and other deeply embedded sins.
What is this Wesleyan movement and how does one become involved?
Holly, I will surely join you in prayer. Let’s just see where God leads, what doors God opens.